tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post6932098968362945077..comments2024-03-28T22:02:16.520-04:00Comments on Politics and its Discontents: Exactly How Does Facebook Define Community Standards?Lornehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-26554265601165808962015-12-13T19:07:42.000-05:002015-12-13T19:07:42.000-05:00I put your comment up because it speaks for itself...I put your comment up because it speaks for itself, Anon. Shame on you.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-82845908825925747812015-09-29T13:06:12.043-04:002015-09-29T13:06:12.043-04:00Your experience is very similar to mine, Anon. I r...Your experience is very similar to mine, Anon. I received a second message the other day that was written as if the first one had never been sent:<br /><br />"Thank you for taking the time to report something that you feel may violate our Community Standards. Reports like yours are an important part of making Facebook a safe and welcoming environment. The account that posted this is no longer on Facebook, and so we can't review it for violation of our Community Standards. If the account is restored, this post might reappear. If this happens, please report it again."<br /><br />This was my response:<br /><br />"You seem to have forgotten your original dismissal of my complaint:<br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to report something that you feel may violate our Community Standards. Reports like yours are an important part of making Facebook a safe and welcoming environment. We reviewed the photo you reported for containing hate speech or symbols and found it doesn't violate our Community Standards.<br /><br />Seems to me that you want it both ways. You failed, in my view."Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-31417616099019347822015-09-29T12:48:18.795-04:002015-09-29T12:48:18.795-04:00I too submitted a report on this site on sep 22 an...I too submitted a report on this site on sep 22 and got the same reply......but then got another one on sep 25 that they had reviewed again and removed the site.....would really like to know how this worksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-23761556109618488902015-09-25T15:23:15.328-04:002015-09-25T15:23:15.328-04:00Hi Devon. thanks for your input. It mystifies me h...Hi Devon. thanks for your input. It mystifies me how Facebook can get away with its corporate irresponsibility. It seems only when tragedy strikes that it takes some kind of half-hearted action. I also tried to get a reporter from the Toronto Star interested in the issue, but she did not respond to my email.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-54085531816502087532015-09-25T15:17:47.672-04:002015-09-25T15:17:47.672-04:00Hi - nice blog. The post you cite is actually one ...Hi - nice blog. The post you cite is actually one of the tamer ones. There<br />are other WCAI posts that advocate violence. Hate speech advocating<br />violence against a specific group is highly illegal. I reported 3 specific<br />posts where violence was encouraged. All reports were rejected. I believe<br />Facebook is now criminally responsible -- unsure?<br />Devonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-3796974882228087442015-09-25T08:41:23.768-04:002015-09-25T08:41:23.768-04:00That is very heartening to know, Peter. Thank you ...That is very heartening to know, Peter. Thank you for the information.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-6942676981675036392015-09-24T22:28:38.834-04:002015-09-24T22:28:38.834-04:00That this blog was the third most popular in the g...That this blog was the third most popular in the google search after WCAI's two webpages hopefully means that they are not an attractive ideology to any large number of CanadiansPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15204691705448091124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-7513518356891208742015-09-05T20:01:44.536-04:002015-09-05T20:01:44.536-04:00Thanks for this very useful information, Beijing. ...Thanks for this very useful information, Beijing. I am trying to follow up on this issue in a couple of ways.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04621520689148063000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-49297181470688212862015-09-05T18:27:20.599-04:002015-09-05T18:27:20.599-04:00"German Justice Minister Heiko Maas wants Fac..."German Justice Minister Heiko Maas wants Facebook Inc. to remove racist posts targeting asylum seekers after several attacks on refugee camps in Germany over the past week.<br /><br />Facebook should “urgently” review its practices when dealing with the posts, he told the company in an Aug. 26 letter obtained by Bloomberg News. Numerous users have complained to the ministry that Facebook didn’t remove xenophobic posts even after they were flagged and reviewed, arguing that the comments don’t violate its community standards. That didn’t go down well in Berlin.<br /><br />It is incomprehensible that “photos of certain body parts are automatically deleted because of moral concerns, yet racist and xenophobic statements aren’t immediately removed,” Maas wrote in the letter, which was reported earlier by Tagesspiegel newspaper. “There must be no mistaken tolerance for users that offensively preach xenophobia and racism.” He invited Facebook for talks Sept. 14 in the ministry."<br /><br />http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-27/germany-tells-facebook-get-tougher-on-racist-anti-refugee-postsBeijing Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05579118045254845839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-27487629548984871312015-09-05T10:05:40.035-04:002015-09-05T10:05:40.035-04:00I don't dispute what you say about the nature ...I don't dispute what you say about the nature of Facebook, rww, but it can be useful for disseminating information if you subscribe to the right feeds. For example, I have a number of news feeds there, such as CBC and The Guardian, that alert me to some important stories. As well, there are a number of democracy and anti-Harper groups that link to important political news.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-28004071097788593152015-09-05T10:02:31.751-04:002015-09-05T10:02:31.751-04:00It is a strange corporate world we live in, double...It is a strange corporate world we live in, double nickel.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-17821028472084074412015-09-05T10:01:35.910-04:002015-09-05T10:01:35.910-04:00People who run such groups and offer such commenta...People who run such groups and offer such commentary do have a limited repertoire, don't they, AKC? Bigotry, by any other name, is still bigotry.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-51786929569921504232015-09-05T08:57:25.177-04:002015-09-05T08:57:25.177-04:00Publish a photo of a breast on Facebook, and it is...Publish a photo of a breast on Facebook, and it is deleted immediately. Go figure.double nickelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067401914703468252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-72848806375000758232015-09-04T22:35:30.072-04:002015-09-04T22:35:30.072-04:00The fact that Facebook prohibits photos of breastf...The fact that Facebook prohibits photos of breastfeeding but allows rape humour should be all that needs to be said. <br /><br />They are a social marketing site, not a social networking site, and for that reason I have nothing to do with them and I find it unfortunate that may progressive groups use Facebook.rwwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00512582677240907287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-86904944304424402502015-09-04T21:12:30.614-04:002015-09-04T21:12:30.614-04:00All very interesting points, Mark. Suspecting that...All very interesting points, Mark. Suspecting that the WCAI is but a fringe group at best, I hesitated even writing this post lest I give it/him any additional exposure.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-80709845363748134102015-09-04T20:18:25.090-04:002015-09-04T20:18:25.090-04:00This part says a lot more than the author intended...This part says a lot more than the author intended:<br /><br />"And in case you didn't noticed WCAI is worldwide as in Worldwide Coalition Against Islam. We are just one person."<br /><br />When you acknowledge that you are just one person, yet use the pronoun "we" to refer to yourself, and also refer to yourself as a "coalition," then "we," (and I am sure that I can incude more than just myself when I say that,) know exactly what's going on inside your head.<br /><br />I's also love to know how this person considers themself to be worldwide.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-42513093492405237432015-09-04T17:23:59.046-04:002015-09-04T17:23:59.046-04:00I think you make a very good point here, LD. Anti-...I think you make a very good point here, LD. Anti-Islamic screeds do indeed seem to be acceptable, no doubt in part due to the tone that western governments, including our own, set. They try to have it both ways by saying it is only about terrorists, but in fact they often conflate them with all members of the Muslim faith, a message heartily received by the racists out there.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-85846151535083442702015-09-04T16:29:35.218-04:002015-09-04T16:29:35.218-04:00Lorne, thanks for this post. If it was anything ab...Lorne, thanks for this post. If it was anything about Israel then you would have been labelled anti-Semitic by now. Since it is common to demonize Muslims the similar re-action is not there. But plenty of Islamophobic spoke out. Disgusting. I suppose the Islamophobic is acceptable behavior and they the victims are not considered humans according to these Islamophobic. We live in a troubled world when some consider sufferings of others as source of amusement. These Islamophobics forget who is behind these sufferings. The invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya was not carried out by the Muslims but by the west especially U.S. which is causing these problems. We don’t wish to take responsibility for that. Mound’s post on “Gaza Goes from Prison Camp to Death Camp” sheds some light on it. It is simply too upsetting.LeDarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526776746689708239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-24264205590011981592015-09-04T14:48:11.539-04:002015-09-04T14:48:11.539-04:00Thanks for your comments and the link, Anon. Both ...Thanks for your comments and the link, Anon. Both make for very interesting reading!Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-1117570056408135872015-09-04T14:09:14.260-04:002015-09-04T14:09:14.260-04:00I was contracted to write a paper on social media,...I was contracted to write a paper on social media, Facebook in particular, for an organisation. I created a fake facebook account and used it for my analysis. I came to the conclusion that social media was dangerous from both a technical and social perspective. Needless to say, my report was sent to the shredder and I was sent on my way.<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-25906671554112675702015-09-04T12:30:13.212-04:002015-09-04T12:30:13.212-04:00Thanks, Kirby. it is always good to read your insi...Thanks, Kirby. it is always good to read your insights. I have often wondered about the utility of social media, but, while there always be those who use various forums to simply harangue people, I think how the subject is framed plays an important part in the discussion that ensues. The one I posted here is, of course, framed in such a way as to evoke hateful and racist comments. <br /><br />The blogs I follow, including yours, always seem to elicit pretty respectful exchanges, perhaps because we are like-minded, but also because the ones hosting the blogs are interesting in provoking thoughtful discussion, not knee-jerk reaction.<br /><br />I will be interested to hear what your daughter learns in her studies.Lornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15741324981120408977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7884128379999766348.post-4120154693256977242015-09-04T12:11:10.300-04:002015-09-04T12:11:10.300-04:00Hi Lorne, Pretty disturbing stuff indeed (though b...Hi Lorne, Pretty disturbing stuff indeed (though by no means surprising). Though I am not exactly sure what your question is here. If the question is whether Facebook, as a corporation, has meaningless standards, I would have to agree. I think this particularly example might warrant a complaint to the human rights commission. Or even the police. On the more abstract question, "how does Facebook define community standards," it is clear. Facebook, of course, expresses the wider variety of 'community' standards, some deeply objectionable. I think, perhaps, the more important question is can any social media constitute or create any kind of discourse, or are the social media processes nothing more than a series of people screaming on a digital street corner talking only to those who are already sympathetic? Once on my Facebook stream there was a very vibrant debate about the problem of school dress codes and the role they play in body-shaming. I don't know if anyone's opinion was, in the end, influenced but I think it is fare to call what happened a debate (at least of a sort). I remain dubious about what can come out of it. My older daughter just started a Masters Degree at Simon Fraser and she hopes to make her thesis subject - the role of social media and the internet in the contemporary labour movement. I will let you know if she reaches any conclusions. Kirbycairohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.com